John Jonas
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Podcast Appearances
I don't trust its data.
I, I don't trust Google.
Um, that's, that's part of it.
And I, I find myself, I tend to do things differently than most people.
Email marketing.
Okay.
Email marketing.
Like it's, it's a disaster.
Right.
Like it's good and it's profitable.
We do a little bit of it, but everybody's always saying, oh, you got to build a list.
And I'm like, you know what?
That's this is dumb.
People hate email.
And so we don't do it for a long, long time.
I ignored social media marketing because I don't want to be on Facebook.
I don't want anything to do with Facebook.
Yeah, I'm not.
We have we know raise money.
Yeah.