John Kiriakou

Sometimes, yeah.

Sometimes if you're not close to the person that you're trying to trigger an emergency meeting with, it would be easy to say, hey, Constantine, let's have coffee.

I'll meet you tomorrow morning at nine.

Well, tomorrow morning at nine really means tomorrow morning at eight in the abandoned parking lot behind the sweater factory.

Because you've arranged that all in advance.

So if somebody's listening to your phone, and nowadays everybody's listening to your phone, they don't have any idea what you're going to do.

Right, my first wife.

Yeah.

I was so focused on the job and trying not to get killed.

You know, there was a terrorist group active in Greece at the time called Revolutionary Organization 17 November.

That was the whole reason why I was in Greece at the basis of it.

It was to try to infiltrate this group, to disrupt their attacks, and really to destroy the group from the inside.

They'd killed the CIA station chief, two U.S.

defense attaches, the Turkish ambassador, the deputy ambassador, the minister of finance.

They just killed 28 people.

And so she was a first-generation American.

Her parents were from Greece, and she inherited her grandmother's house on one of the Greek islands.

And so she started going to the island on the weekends and taking the kids.

I thought that was a great idea.

The kids can get to know their cousins.