John Kiriakou

I spent half my career trying to kill people like you.

I said, get away from me.

Don't touch me or you're going to end up unconscious on the ground.

And he walked away and then he got transferred out.

And I said, isn't it interesting that the spokesman for the Taliban was sent to our prison and was only here for four days?

Isn't that interesting?

And then they just gave up.

Wow.

No, that's the thing.

It wasn't even effective.

But you know what, though, Joe?

When these guys die and they've started to die.

their obituaries it's gonna say that they were among the creators of the CIA's torture program and so they have a vested interest in repeating this lie over and over and over again that it was the right thing to do what I don't understand is wouldn't they want to be effective

And in fact, they ended up abandoning the torture program.

Yeah.

Mitchell and Jessen took their $108 million and they retired to Florida.

And then subsequent CIA directors following George Tenet said, yeah, you know, this didn't work.

We're not going to do it anymore.

I have to laugh just because it's so nuts.

What else can you do?