#661 - John Kiriakou
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Plus, heavyweight standout Josh Hokut returns to the octagon after an all-time classic war to face knockout artist Derrick Lewis. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live on June 14th only on Paramount+. Today's guest is an author. He's a speaker. He's a former CIA officer who's also known for being a whistleblower in the CIA's use of torture. He has a new book coming out called The Ultimate Guide to CIA Skills, Tactics, and Techniques.
Today's guest is Mr. John Kiriakou. Shine on me And I will follow
Yeah, I applied for a presidential pardon.
You applied for a presidential pardon? Yeah.
Yeah. In fact, I brought a couple of letters. I hope you don't... As long as you don't meet me. If I sign them, it's not going to help anything. I'm just telling you that. Oh, okay. I was going to ask if you thought it would be helpful. I got... Did you really? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Dang, I was joking. Oh, no, no, no. I'm talking Tulsi Gabbard on Friday. Did I tell you that?
Oh, nice. Her husband just went into surgery today, I saw.
Yeah, poor guy.
I messaged him with her yesterday. She's great. Yeah, Tulsi Gabbard, she seems – there's just something about her that seems genuine to me.
And that's why they tried to destroy her.
Is that what you think is going on with her right now? That's why the Democrats tried to destroy her. I really do. But even right now, I mean, she's just taking a leave. I know it's for her husband's health. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Headed into surgery this morning. Oh, is that what it says? Yeah. She tweeted or she, uh, Instagram day.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you think, cause she's kind of like, and she just took a break. She took a complete break from politics. Yeah.
You remember when she was running as a Democrat, every time she would inch up in the polls, the DNC would change the rules for participating in the next debate. So they would do it just one or two percentage points out of her reach every single time because they were threatened by her message. She just wouldn't get with their program.
She's always seemed very – like she has her own – Oh, she was definitely independent. Independent.
That's what it is. She's always seemed very independent.
Well, they did the same thing with Bernie Sanders. They did exactly the same thing with Bernie Sanders. So I guess my question would be like – and I can't remember if I asked Bernie this or not, but why would you stay in a party that you know at a certain point is not –
That's cheating you. Yes. And, you know, the Democrats did something after the 1972 election, which I think people don't pay anywhere near enough attention to. Nobody at the DNC wanted George McGovern to be the 1972 nominee. He was the most popular at the time, especially among young people, but he was the weakest nationwide. And he ended up losing 49 states. But... You know, it's a party of the people, right? If the people want George McGovern as the nominee, then George McGovern should be the nominee. And they didn't let him become the nominee?
What are the key themes of John Kiriakou's experiences in the CIA?
No, they let him become the nominee. And then as soon as he lost the race, they instituted this thing called superdelegates. So if you are a member of the House, a member of the Senate, a governor, a lieutenant governor, a state party director, a state committee chairman, you're automatically made a delegate to the convention.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–4:16
2
What are the key themes of John Kiriakou's experiences in the CIA?
4:16–20:04
3
What insights does John provide about the CIA's interrogation techniques?
20:04–1:12:29
4
What were the implications of the plea agreements with al-Qaeda figures?
1:12:29–1:12:45
5
Why was the agreement to hold al-Qaeda figures blocked?
1:12:45–1:13:18
6
What does John Kiriakou reveal about torture and its legal ramifications?
1:13:18–1:13:54
7
How are foreign intelligence operations perceived in America today?
1:13:54–2:20:30