John Lisle

Yes, he has gotten the rights to this book, this book, Project Mind Control, and he's interested in adapting it into a series.

Yeah, that's part of the crazy thing.

One of the things I really try to focus on in the book, especially the second half of the book, are the consequences of MKUltra in society, but also just what happened to these people afterwards.

The victims of MKUltra, they launched several lawsuits against the CIA, and basically really nothing much came out of it.

They got paid a little bit of money, but the people who perpetrated MKUltra

They didn't really face any consequences.

And so I'm glad you brought that up because one of the things I really try to talk about in the latter part of the book are what are the failures of oversight that allowed this to happen?

How is that possible?

How could people within the CIA be doing these kinds of drug experiments on people unwittingly and yet never face any hardly consequences for their actions?

So I delve into that pretty deeply.

I feel like my introduction is a little bit different probably from most people because I didn't know that much about MKUltra.

And I was doing my PhD at UT.

And I studied the history of science, but my dissertation was on a group of scientists within the intelligence.

They had connections to the intelligence community.

They were called the science attachés out of the State Department.

The State Department would send these science attachés to different embassies.

American embassies around the world.

And the CIA was very interested in these people because, hey, we have these scientists going abroad.

Maybe they can interrogate foreign scientists and figure out what kind of research they're doing.

So that kind of led me into being interested in scientists within the intelligence community.