John Lisle

Like it's so endlessly fascinating.

I'm really excited.

Obviously for me, I mean, it's just so lucky that he happened to be interested in this kind of topic.

I mean, there are a lot of books out there on any number of topics that anyone could be interested in.

But the fact that, you know,

I mean, I do consider myself extremely lucky.

I happen to write this book at the right time and someone happened to be interested at the right time.

So, yeah, I can't wait for that to come out.

That's one of the things with MKUltra just in general.

I mean, initially reading about this, my first impression is that obviously that's like a conspiracy theory or it can't be right.

Right.

some conspiracies are true.

And the MKUltra stuff, they actually did this.

They were dosing people, using prostitutes behind a one-way mirror, George White sitting on a toilet watching this happen.

Even besides drugs, MKUltra is involved in a lot of psychological experiments.

So not just LSD.

Most people associate MKUltra with LSD.

But one of the most expansive of the subprojects is Subproject 68.

It was by this guy named Ewan Cameron.

Have you heard that name before?