John Lisle

And Cameron thought, oh, you have a negative reaction to that.

So he rewinded again and again and again.

And he kept rewinding it.

And she just got more and more emotional, had this more and more kind of visceral reaction to what she was saying her mother used to tell her.

So this led Cameron to develop the concept of psychic driving, which is you record some kind of negative message and then you make someone listen to it for thousands and thousands and thousands of times for weeks on end, for hours every day.

All their waking day, they basically are strapped into a headphone that is playing this negative message, and it will break them down over time.

That's how you induce enough stress to break them down to the blank slate, and then you can record a positive psychic driving message to build them up into whatever image you want them to be.

So that was his initial idea.

Not really.

It was just based on he had this one encounter with this woman and she had a negative reaction.

And he's just trying to induce stress.

This obviously seemed to induce stress in her.

Therefore, we're going to start playing these negative tapes to them.

So it was just his idea?

It's just his idea.

He was known for doing this kind of thing, like kind of spur of the moment.

In fact, there was one...

kid, basically, who had been at this Allen Memorial Institute where Ewan Cameron was.

He eventually had gotten out, but he had tried to commit suicide.

And so he was sent back to the Allen Memorial Institute.