John Lisle

But the way that he had tried to commit suicide was to close the garage and have the CO2 build up with a running car.

And then he would breathe it in and pass out and die.

That ended up not working.

However, when he went back to the Allen Memorial Institute, Ewan Cameron thought, you know, his personality seems like a little bit better than it was when he was here before.

Maybe CO2 can influence someone.

So he sent out some of his assistants to go buy CO2 canisters, and we're going to start giving this to people.

But it turns out the assistants knew that this was completely unethical.

There's no medical basis for anything.

And so they lied to him and said, oh, the canisters were way more expensive than we could actually afford, so we can't do that.

But so he was he was just he was trying to find any way that he could have a breakthrough to cure mental illness and he was using his Patients as guinea pigs complete guinea pigs.

I don't well there there are dozens and dozens of people who that happened to I don't know about her in particular because I don't know if she's actually named in the documents

No, no.

For the most part, the people who he did his practice on came out way worse than when they went in.

So psychic driving, that's initially what got the CIA interested in Cameron.

So it's important to keep in mind.

It's not that the CIA told Cameron to do this.

He's doing this on his own because he thinks he's going to cure mental illness by having this radical breakthrough where we break them down and build them back up and we can build them back up and make them forget their schizophrenia or depression or whatever they have.

The CIA reads his article about psychic driving and they think this is the kind of thing we're interested in.

So from that point on, they start funding him not only to do psychic driving experiments.

But also he does like puts people in chemical comas for months on end.