John Lisle

In her case, I'm not exactly sure.

She went on to have a little bit of a career, but she eventually attempted to commit suicide later again.

That was unsuccessful.

Then her and several of the victims of Ewan Cameron's experiments in the 1980s, they ended up suing the CIA for supporting Ewan Cameron.

And during those lawsuits.

The attorneys who are representing them, they took the depositions of several of the people who were involved in MKUltra to try to use this during their trial.

So they took the depositions of Sidney Gottlieb, Robert Lashbrook, Richard Helms, the head of the CIA, and many of the victims who were victims of all this.

And that's basically the basis for my book.

I found thousands of pages of these depositions.

That's just verbatim transcript of these people talking about either what they did or what was done to them.

And so I'm using that throughout the book to explain here's what they're doing in their own words or here's what was done to them in their own words.

Oh, well, so it was actually settled out of court before it went to trial.

So the plaintiffs, the CIA gave the plaintiffs $750,000 to be split among them.

But, you know, after attorney's fees and everything, it doesn't really amount to much anyway.

Oh, boy.

You know, they settled out of court.

They got a little bit of money, but it never went to trial.

And so these depositions, though, you know, since it never went to trial, these were just in the papers of Joseph Rao, who's the main lawyer who was involved in this case.

And when he passed away, his papers were donated to the Library of Congress that had all these thousands of pages of depositions in there.

823 pages of which are Sidney Gottlieb testifying about what he did in MKUltra.