John Lisle

And so I was rooting around the Library of Congress and happened to find them.

So that's how I found basically the basis for what this book is.

Wow.

Yeah, maybe some.

I mean, it's just speculation because I'm not sure.

But of course, that had to have weighed on the consciences.

You know, there's in what was called the sleep room, Ewan Cameron's sleep room.

This is where they would do the chemical comas.

One of the nurses, I have kind of her diary entries basically describing what she was seeing there.

And she does seem to be pretty reluctant to have done what she was actually doing.

And Ewan Cameron, she said, would often come over to her and pat her on the back and say, you know, you're helping these people.

You're helping these people.

Just trying to coax her along to go along with what he was telling her to do.

I mean, I've never seen anything to indicate that he was on drugs, but he definitely had a almost like a messiah complex.

He thought, I'm going to be the one to win the Nobel Prize in medicine because I'm going to cure all mental illness through this psychic driving or whatever it was.

He was going to be the next Sigmund Freud.

He really had delusions of grandeur, just like I think Jolly West did as well.

And so I think that drove a lot of what he was doing.

His patients were just a means to his own end.

They're the guinea pigs that I can use to prove that these medical techniques are