John Lisle

Now, Henry Murray, who ran that experiment with Ted Kaczynski –

He did have connections to the intelligence community.

I just am not convinced that he was funded by MKUltra or something.

His connection, he has a couple of connections.

One connection that I mentioned in my first book, the Dirty Tricks Department, he was tasked with creating psychological profiles of German leaders like Hitler.

And so the idea was that he would kind of figure out what their psychology was, and maybe we could find ways to exploit that psychology.

So Stanley Lovell, who is the head of this R&D branch of the OSS, he read Henry Murray's psychological profile of Hitler, and he decided, maybe I can figure out a way to kind of drive Hitler crazy by using this.

So Henry Murray said that Hitler had a very feminine kind of personality.

He was on the border between masculine and feminine and

You know, at least that's what Henry Murray is saying in this psychological profile.

Stanley Lovell reads that and he thinks maybe I can exploit this by getting one of the gardeners near the Eagle Nest where Hitler often had some meetings.

There were some gardeners down there.

We can get an agent to slip a gardener some female sex hormone and that gardener can inject it into the beets that are destined for Hitler's plate.

Hitler's going to eat it and it's going to like exacerbate this feminine tendency and it's going to make him go crazy or something like that.

That was the plan.

That never actually happened.

So Henry Murray is kind of connected to the OSS in that sense.

And then later he developed some personality tests for the OSS and CIA.

I believe it was for recruits to give these to recruits to determine whether they kind of have the psychological profile that would be amenable to being in an intelligence organization.

It is, you know, maybe useful to be careful about correlation and causation.