John Lisle

And they're probably still doing it now.

Well, even before MKUltra.

So there are a couple programs that precede it.

I mean, you know, so during World War II, the OSS was already doing truth drug experiments, not with LSD because that wasn't really around then.

But with THC acetate, they would inject it into cigarettes and have people smoke it.

So they just get high?

They would get high.

And tell the truth?

Yeah.

Supposedly?

Supposedly.

The idea was that it lowers their inhibitions, and so maybe they'll be more amenable to talking.

Oh, that's hilarious.

They basically gave them spliffs.

That's a European smoke.

And so one of the guys who was actually on the Truth Drug Committee that was kind of overseeing these drug experiments during World War II-

was Harry Anslinger who of course is launching this crusade against marijuana and at the same time he's overseeing these experiments about dozing people with THC.

So it's very ironic that that was the case.

With him in particular, the study that he was involved in was Henry Murray was the guy who was running that.

It's like a psychological experiment about – I think it was interpersonal relationships where he would basically interrogate them and berate them and see how they reacted to it.