John Lisle

these jelly beans were used to control their behavior or something.

But it's the same kind of techniques that are being used in both instances.

This is what Jolly West was, some of the stuff that he was doing.

Like leading questions?

I think a very similar thing took place during the European kind of witch craze in the 17th century.

These preachers would go around to different communities talking about witches and demons.

And so as soon as they left, in the weeks following, there is a huge uptick in witch accusations and supposed demonic possessions.

Is it a coincidence that right after, as soon as it's brought to your consciousness, oh, I think you might be a witch or all these accusations starts farting around.

Obviously, it's like a suggested thing that they picked up from attending these religious rallies.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Like Heinrich Kramer and the Hammer of Witches.

If it bleeds, you know, if it bleeds, it leads.

It's like people are attracted to sensational stories.

Yes.

It's the same thing about human psychology.

They're just the same psychology as us today.

And if we're interested in learning these sensational stories, of course they want to too.

The same thing, just nonsense.

A funny anecdote kind of related to that.