John Lisle

There are a lot of true things about MKUltra that are just crazy.

But there are also some things that people propose that I don't think actually happened.

You know, there are some people who say, for instance, that MKUltra was, it was like...

Getting young women to run around these military compounds where they would be hunted for sport.

And it was saying like, you know, there was a vice president who activated a hologram around his body to make this woman think that she had turned into a lizard to make her think that lizard people actually exist.

Like, you know, she was saying that.

The CIA personnel would impregnate her and abort the fetuses and eat the fetuses and sell some of the body parts in their interstate occult body part business and all this stuff, which I don't think any of that happened.

However, there's a connection between, you know, the people who are making these assertions and the satanic panic.

A lot of the people who make these assertions say that they recovered their memories through hypnotism.

And that is a lot of what was going on during the satanic panic.

You had people recovering memories through hypnotism about being involved in this ritualistic satanic abuse.

And in fact, there was there's a group called the International Society for the Study of Dissociation.

And a lot of the members were kind of responsible for propagating many of these satanic panic conspiracy theories there.

The president of that organization, a guy named Bennett Braun, he was sued by a former patient for falsely convincing her that she had engaged in cannibalism and infanticide and all this stuff that she didn't do.

And he lost his medical license and she was awarded $10 million in this lawsuit.

But it turns out that many of the people, one in particular, of the kind of prominent MKUltra conspiracy theorists...

her husband, who did this hypnotism on her to recover her memories, he said he learned how to recover memories from Bennett Braun himself.

And he was a part of this international society for the study of dissociation.

So it's like the same techniques that were being used during the satanic panic to so-called recover these memories.

It's the same thing in many of these MKUltra, what I would say are conspiracy theorists, who are propagating this misinformation about MKUltra because they supposedly recovered these memories about how