John Lisle

So that he can show off?

Yes.

I almost bought it.

Oh, really?

Really?

Even after they're out of the cult?

Yes.

Able to incept some kind of idea into them or...

Thank you.

But in order to have that, I'm sure you have to go through the whole experience because it builds up some tension or resentment or something.

Of course.

Human psychology has to have gone through that in order to maybe reach that.

Yeah, yeah.

It's the same basic human psychology operating under different circumstances that leads to, you know, I mean, there's a classic phrase, you know, history repeats itself or history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.

But it's because humans share a psychology.

So, of course, there are going to be similar actions happening.

That reminds me kind of this concept of like incepting something into someone or making them feel this.

Were you, you know, this is a little bit before my time, but did you experience the satanic panic in the sense that were you keeping up with it when that was happening in the 1980s?

I wasn't.

Yeah, you know, because there's a connection between that and some of the, what I would say are MKUltra kind of conspiracies.