John Lisle

But I think that could be, like, the longest single-volume nonfiction book that I've ever seen.

Well, if anyone could get them to talk, I'm sure it's you.

One thing, do you, it's been, I don't know, five years or whenever I read Tom Inouye's book when it came out the first time.

So I don't remember that well.

But one thing, because I have a chapter on Jolly West.

And one thing that stuck out to me especially is one of the main crusades he had in his life was against the death penalty.

He writes a lot about how it's completely immoral, this thing he doesn't like.

So to me, especially there's an earlier case called this Jimmy Shaver case about this guy who abused and killed this little girl that Jolly West was involved into.

It seems to me the possibility is also open that

Jolly West might also have had an incentive to dose these people with LSD, if he did, to prevent them from getting the death sentence.

Because if they could, you know, appear insane, maybe they would not get the death penalty instead.

I don't know.

I think he just considered it immoral.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he ended up killing himself, too.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it was an assisted suicide with his son.

His son later wrote a book about this.

But his son, basically, Jolly West had gotten cancer that had metastasized throughout his entire body.