John Mackey

If it couldn't do it under the Whole Foods brand, we'd have another brand.

So it doesn't matter because I did retire and it was a good thing I did.

And

The existing management didn't want to go that direction.

So part of letting your child grow up is it makes different choices than the parents might want.

I led Whole Foods for 44 years.

You might say as a parent, it's got a good foundation, it's got good values, it's good peeps.

But it wants to do different things than the parents might want to do.

And that's part of every parent knows you got to let your child go in its own direction.

It has its own destiny, so to speak.

Yeah, but I never really was a corporate guy.

And that was part of the conflict with Amazon ultimately.

Right.

Was, I mean, I'm an entrepreneur and I had no business background.

I took no business classes in school.

So I started this business up with really very little business background, no educational background.

But I think three things happened.

One is, is that as an entrepreneur, I'm willing to take chances and innovate and

but then also learn from my mistakes.

So I learned from many mistakes that I made.