John Marcus

whose systems only take three years.

But an important footnote was they also said, but now that more people are doing it, we're going to take a closer look.

So we won't know whether this will succeed, but I can tell you that 60 colleges are doing it now or are getting ready to do it.

So this is a massive change.

And that's one thing colleges are doing to respond to this.

Are there other things?

Yes.

I would hope there are other things.

I just wanted to stop for a moment.

And let you get a word in.

So there are other small reforms here and there that I think we're all paying attention to.

One that's very interesting, I was at a conference of liberal arts colleges at which a speaker stood up in front of the room and said, right now in America, the two worst words are liberal and arts.

So liberal arts colleges are kind of having trouble making a case for themselves.

One liberal arts university near Boston called Brandeis University, pretty well-known national brand, they are –

pushing the liberal arts, but also creating a second transcript so that they can show employers not only the first transcript is what everybody gets when they finish college.

Here are all the courses that I took, which means essentially nothing to an employer.

The second transcript says, here are the skills I learned.

And that is a really interesting idea.

On the one hand, you could look at it as what that's doing is sort of reinforcing people's idea that there's a difference, right, between liberal arts academics and liberal arts skills.

But you could also look at it as improving diversity.