Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
I think as long as the occupation persists, the Palestinians are going to resist.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
As you well know, this is not the first time there has been a Palestinian uprising.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
There was the First Intifada, there was the Second Intifada, now there's October 7th, and there are uprisings besides those three.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
So this is not terribly surprising.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
A lot of people hypothesized that this attack was due to the fact that the Israelis, the Saudis, and the Americans were working together to foster another Abraham Accord and that the Palestinians would in effect be sold down the river.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
I think given the fact that this was in the planning stages for probably about two years and the Abraham Accords with regard to Saudi Arabia are relatively new phenomenon, I don't think that's new.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
the main driving force here.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
I think the main driving force is that the Palestinians feel oppressed, as they should, and that this was a resistance move.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
They were resisting the Israeli occupation.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
I mean, you had Operation Cast Lead in 2008, 2009.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
It started, I think, right after Christmas 2008, and it ended right before President Obama took office in January 2009.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
And
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
The Israelis periodically do what they call mowing the lawn, where they go into Gaza and they pound the Palestinians to remind them that they're not supposed to rise up and cause any problem.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
So there's no question in my mind that the β
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
The Hamas forces understood full well that the Israelis would retaliate, and they would retaliate in force, as they have done.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
Uh, uh, I mean, the only way you're going to get peace here, uh, is if you have a two state solution.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
Um,
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
where the Palestinians have a sovereign state of their own and there is a sovereign Jewish state.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
And these two states live side by side.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#401 β John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3
American presidents since Jimmy Carter have understood this full well.