John Palfrey

I mean, we think about the moment that we're in with a consolidation of power and of resource and money in a relatively few, and that's not just true in the U.S., but it is true around the world.

But we also see that when large groups of people hold up their hand and say, we don't want this, this is actually not who we are.

We want to be a different kind of people.

And I think we're seeing that to some degree in

that America's 250th and how we're reacting to that.

We want to be a community of people who come across to do things even when we're different.

Michelle and I come from very different family backgrounds.

We are working deeply together, arm in arm on this issue.

And that can happen from, you know, any number of different ways.

And that's part of the American story.

So I feel like there is a possibility.

that by virtue of supporting civil society in the way we are, we can get into the kinds of grants that we're making early on.

We're doing an open call coming up where we will learn from others who are working in this, that we can tap into some great power sources.

The Pope's encyclical is no small thing.

There are many other people with a great deal of power who are also saying, let's actually focus on some humanistic sources.

topics here, and that's important.

But I actually think this is about galvanizing bottom-up support for the kinds of voices that need to be at the table in shaping this, the kinds of creative ideas that one person or one small group can come up with and can change the world.

All of those things still hold.

All of those things are still true.

And that's where philanthropy has its magic, because we invest without looking at the financial return.