John Palfrey

To the extent the American people are being sold something they don't really want by a relatively small group of people, the answer is to stand up and say we don't want it and we want something else.

And by the way, this market out there is very powerful.

The market, the social norms, how we move as individuals, where we spend our money, where we spend our time, we do still have that in our control.

And yes, these companies are very powerful corporations.

But the most powerful thing is the behavior of their consumers, of other customers, and that's still us.

And so that same method of pushing back on concentrated power can work here too.

I'd say for starters, just one thing about humanity AI is none of the money is coming from the companies directly.

And I can't imagine it will.

Right.

I think we are we are not.

I mean, Michelle and I haven't actually had this conversation, so who knows?

But no, you know, and it is true that the, you know, several families involved, including the immediate errors, made their money in tech, but they are not.

of this group of five or six controlling entities right now.

And I think that's quite important.

And that's not to say that Eric Schmidt's philanthropy can't do wonderful things because he was a big player at Google.

Of course they can and they do, but I don't see us taking tech company money to be the loyal opposition in that sense.

I don't think that's our role.

I think our role is, however, to crowd in philanthropic dollars to be more powerful together than separate.

So back to your previous question, Oz, when you said, how will we know it's successful?

It's very hard to know