John Palfrey

on a short timeline, how philanthropy is successful.

I do think you've got a wonderful leading indicator on what Michelle just said, public sentiment, which is one thing that we're working on.

I do think the idea that there is a civil society that is pushing back in a number of ways, a very strong group of individuals and organizations, that's important.

So a universe of people who are doing that is part of it.

But fundamentally to me,

The question for me at MacArthur in four or five years when we have to decide whether to keep going in this direction or to have it wind down will be, are we stronger together?

Is it better to do this together?

I can't imagine that philanthropy is going to say, AI doesn't matter to anybody's life in five years, we're done.

It's a little like climate or something else.

It's hard to say you're done until, well, anything that we could possibly see or democracy.

So my hunch is a number of us are still going to be in this

The question is going to be, should we just go back to doing it each on our own without any real, you know, deep connectivity, deep collaboration?

My hunch is we're going to find that this is better, this is stronger, that we are together able to support the field in a better way with better results for real people and real communities.

And that's going to be the marker.

Two wonderful things, although to hear Michelle rhapsodize about the kinfolk and James Baldwin, I cannot imagine.

I cannot compete in describing, although I will say this work is equally brilliant and wonderful.

But Distributed AI Research Network is one that we've supported for a long time, I think literally from its inception at MacArthur, but we're delighted as part of the Humanity AI group.

Tamit Gebru is an amazing PhD computer scientist.

Former Googler, right?

Former Googler.