John R. Miles

And sometimes I think that's what it takes is you just have this divine intervention and then all of a sudden it gives you that lightning rod to impact so many people, which your book is now doing.

So throughout the book, something I liked is you have all these different stories.

And one of them is you write about Joe Ehrman's shift from a win it all cost mentality to building a life built on relationships and purpose.

And it was interesting because you use Joe's story as the entry point, but then you talk about coaches like Wooden and Steve Golden State Warriors coach and others who you bring up that it's not Lou Holtz was another one.

It's not about at all about win at all costs mentality.

The wins will come, but that shouldn't be the focus yet.

For so many of us, we have a win at all costs mentality.

We want success in life more than anything.

I had this happen to me myself.

I felt the most invisible in my life I've ever felt because I was chasing all the wrong things and neglecting the things in life that count the most.

Why do you think so many of us today get stuck in the performance trap?

Well, amen to that.

One of the other stories I really liked in the book, because I must have been sleeping under a rock or something when this happened, because I was not aware of it.

But you tell the story of Lewis Gordon Pugh.

And this to me was an amazing story in part because I have a good friend, John Doolittle, who's been a guest on this show.

John

retired as a 06 navy seal but he was the first navy seal to swim the english channel and john was telling me this story that and i'll let you tell the story of lewis but he went during some of the warmest months

possible to swim the English Channel and he still said it was freezing beyond belief.

It was like 4850 degrees.

So he said that at no time when he was doing this 12 hour crossing, could you stop or you would immediately go into hypothermia?