John R. Miles

I'd love to start with the story behind this.

Maybe, Ali, I'll turn it to you first.

And Boris, Safarini means on a journey.

Why is that concept so central to your leadership philosophy?

And I want to take a step back because you brought up a whole bunch of things there, connectivity and connection and mattering, of course, which I'm very concerned about.

But I think what you guys are doing is almost a 180 from the way that most of Western civilization works today.

Because as so many people know, despite high levels of global connectivity, we've never been more polarized or disconnected.

I think in the entire history of civilization, I call it the disease of disconnection.

And we are so disconnected on so many levels that it is, I think, amounting to huge levels of mental illness playing out in younger generations that we're seeing now.

But I think this is also playing out in leadership that we're seeing across various

So I wanted to focus this on leadership.

What do you guys and again, I'll turn this to Ali.

What do you see are some of the limitations and conventional leadership development methods that are going on today?

You know, things like hotel conferences, your weekend seminars, online courses, motivational keynotes that have flaws.

And what are you guys trying to do that's different?

Yeah.

And I was hoping you've talked a little bit about this, but can you walk us through the structure of a Safarini journey?

Like what happens before, during, and after the trek?

Before we continue, I wanna pause on something important.

Listening to a podcast is one thing.