John R. Miles

Yeah, for them, what is their average lifespan?

So I understand that one of the things that you do while you're on the excursion itself is

that you incorporate daily walking tracks with Samboro elders, using movement as a vehicle for learning and reflection, but also having the elders paired up with those who are on the journey.

How did these walks and talks differ from sitting in a typical classroom or conference room that so many of these leaders are accustomed to doing?

Ollie, maybe you can take that.

Okay.

And Boris, I'm going to turn this to you.

We talked a lot about the Samburu concept of community and identity and core values.

But in their worldview, what does it mean for them to live a good or successful life?

Because in the Western world, if we had to wait on that track to become an elder and then a senior elder, it's counterculture.

So many, and I am living proof of this, we strive for success as quickly as we can possibly get it.

We push the limits to get to things much quicker

than we often should.

I know for me getting to those places so quickly, I sometimes wish in retrospect, I had a longer time to wait because there were critical skill sets and learnings that I wish I would have made that happened after the fact.

I'm really curious about this.

What does it mean for them to live a good life or a successful life?

I've had the opportunity of spending some time with Native American tribes.

And as I'm hearing you talk about a lot of the Sambura culture, a lot of this really reflects also on what Native American tribal life was like for centuries.

And in some reservations, what it's like today, especially as they're going through the rites of passage, the role that elders play.

how they hold their elders in such high esteem.