John R. Miles

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Now, back to my conversation with Henna Fryer.

I want to make this real for people because even people we look up to or think get it right all the time have these awkward moments.

I just recently saw Shakira was on stage in front of thousands at a concert when she slipped and fell in the middle of a song and had to recover from it.

which she did with Grace.

But a person that you chronicle in your book is Jennifer Lawrence.

And I remember there's this famous video of her where she's talking to someone else and all of a sudden someone comes up behind her and starts sharing his admiration for her.

And it was Jack Nicholson.

But she is known for tripping on the Oscar stage, fumbling modeling gigs.

But her awkwardness actually makes her more magnetic.

And so I wanted to ask is how can leaders, young adults, students who might be listening to this harness their awkwardness in the way that Jennifer Lawrence does, especially when they're in high pressure environments?

So there's this performance psychologist you may know and might have been on a stage with them, Dr. Michael Gervais.

And Michael always talks about FOPO, fear of other people's opinions.

And when I think about FOPO, I think there's a direct correlation with awkwardness and also the hidden doubt that so many of us fear.

What are your thoughts on that?

I'm gonna just take a little bit of a detour based on what you said.

When I was at Arthur Anderson, back in the day, they used to fly us all in, both Accenture and Arthur Anderson, to a campus outside of Chicago.

And while I was there,

One of the St.

Charles is what it was called.