John R. Miles

And I read, you referenced him in the book, but one of the people I talk about the most on this show is Tom Gilovich, who I've never met.

I've always wanted to have him on the show, but I always talk about his research on regrets.

But he also talks about the enemies of gratitude.

So how do things like adaptation, secrets, and comparison quietly block connection and

that we don't even realize in our lives.

I want to close out today by reminding the audience that what we've been talking about today is Nick's book, A Little More Social.

And there are books that I get that I speed read through.

And I was so glad I got this ARC because when I took that long trip to Colorado, I got to take this on the plane and read it cover to cover.

And what I really learned from this, and I hope listeners are taking away, is that if you want more connection, you need to be wisely social.

And it starts with small, consistent shifts.

And what I really took away is you don't need more time or more people.

You need to make different choices as we just discussed in the moments that already exist.

Nick, where's the best place people can learn more about you and the amazing work that you do at the University of Chicago?

Awesome.

Well, it was such an honor to have you, Nick, today.

Thank you so much for joining us.

That brings us to the end of today's conversation with Nick Epley.

And what stood out most to me is this.

We often think a better life comes from bigger goals, bigger changes, bigger breakthroughs.

But Nick reminds us that some of life's most meaningful transformations begin in moments so small.