John R. Miles

He was the chief astronaut and.

Chris Cassidy and I remember him telling me this story where he was in the ISS looking down and he was sitting there looking at traffic or looking at New York City, imagining people in traffic and how upset they would be.

And realizing in that moment that what we think of in the micro environments that we're in is so meaningless when you're looking at the vast universe around you.

And it changed his whole perspective that he is a citizen of earth and he needs to do things to make earth a better place, which has informed the rest of his life.

And then lastly, I just have to say, we took my son to look at the University of Colorado.

And I'm not sure if that student center was there that has all their athletics in it.

But oh my word, is that a beautiful view.

You're looking out from the basketball courts and all in the background is mountains.

It's absolutely gorgeous.

I'm so glad you brought up Dacher.

I have not mentioned his name in a while.

I love Dacher's work.

And I remember we were having this conversation about awe and he kind of terms that the times we see it the most are when we experience moral beauty.

And one thing that he told me really still sticks with me.

And he was doing work at the time at Sam Quinton.

And he was telling me that at a place where you would think

You would experience the least amount of awe.

Some of these inmates experienced it more than others because he was dealing with a lot of people who were on death row.

And when they had the opportunity to even get a small bit of time outside, they appreciated the moral beauty that they were experiencing so much more because it was...

such a limited thing for them.