John R. Miles

But also he saw how much so many of them felt forgiveness for what they had done.

So I'm glad you brought him up because I love his work.

That really made me think of a few things.

One is that our perception is something that we don't think about enough.

And oftentimes we look at it as either or, so black or white, and we don't lean into enough of both and type of thinking is something that registered when you were saying that.

And I think another thing that really keyed me in on what you were saying is a number of years ago, I had a life or death type of situation.

And I'm going to tie this into your new book, which, and that was, I was whitewater rafting.

I was on the front of

the raft and we hit this really hard rapid and I got thrown from the raft that we were on and got trapped underneath the raft.

And when I was down there, I was originally in this panic mode until I really started focusing on my breathing and what I needed to do to get out of the situation.

And in your new book, wise effort, subtitled how to focus your genius energy on what matters most.

Your forward has an eerily similar situation with a mutual friend of ours, Rick Hansen, who also, a little bit younger than me, had a similar death-defying moment.

But I think that moment really sets up the core essence of your book.

And I was hoping you might be able to talk about, Rick, that story and maybe introduce the book with it.

Well, I love the simplicity of the name because wise ties into wisdom and effort to me ties into energy and how we use our energy.

So wisdom and energy combined really cool underlying aspect to the book.

Well, I moved to Tampa from Austin, Texas.

And when I lived in Austin, we had this really incredible view behind our house.

And so we decided to put in this huge picture window so that it was the main thing that we looked out at from the kitchen.

And it had an unfortunate side effect to it.