John R. Miles

Well, that's at the heart of it.

When Thaler originally wrote that book, almost everything was

done in the lab or the classroom.

And now with the evolution of mega studies, especially what Katie Milkman and Angela Duckworth are doing with their behavior change for good initiative, it sure is expanding the validity or non-validity of many of these

theories and biases that came about before.

I completely agree with you.

So in the book, Diana, you describe genius as our unique life force, something that everyone has, not just the gifted few.

But for so many of us, we lose that energy due to distraction or other noise of life that we experience or burnout.

What do you recommend to listeners to help them rediscover that energy?

Diana, thank you for answering that.

And what you just described in your five aspects were personality, talents, interests, character, strengths, and emotional intelligence.

Out of those five, which one do you see most people out of touch with the most?

Thank you for sharing that.

And in the book, you write that every field, whether it's physics, biology, neuroscience, ultimately studies energy.

And you frame energy as something that we can regenerate, not just conserve.

How does your research in acceptance and commitment therapy support that idea?

I'm going to come back to two things we talked about at the beginning of the episode.

One is Jordan Feingold and the other is metaphors.

So in the book, you use a Zen metaphor about the five cups, empty, full, cracked, dirty, and overflowing.

And I wanted to ask, how does that image help us, as Jordan would say, choose growth with more humility and less judgment?