John R. Miles

I have another niece who's in the army right now, and they are constantly asking me, what should we study?

What should we focus on?

Because they're all so worried about getting replaced by doctors.

all the technology and everything that's around them.

For kids that are facing that, even your own kids, what advice do you give them?

Last week, I had the opportunity for the first time to interview Mark Nepo, and he said something that stayed with me.

I asked him what he thought was the most fundamental thing that we need to focus on in life, and he said it was love, but he described love not as emotion or romance, but as the act of showing up fully to what's in front of you, holding nothing back.

Right.

How do you contrast that with

the modern love depression that you write about?

I want to switch directions just for a second.

Last week, I also did a fun conversation.

I had Rick Hansen on with Joshua Green, who you might know from Harvard.

And we were talking about how do you expand the circle of moral concern?

And as you think about meaning and how we're so much today in this us versus them type of mentality, how do the two connect?

Yeah, I'm not sure why my mind went to this, but as you were talking about that act of Jesus, I was thinking about when he is with his disciples and he's on his knees washing their feet.

Right.

And when I think of this us versus them, I often think how many of us would do that same thing to those around us that Jesus did, humble yourself in front of those around you.

What are your thoughts on that?

Arthur, I did a whole series on transcendence a few years ago.