John R. Miles

I had, I had Dacker Scott, Barry Kaufman, David and David Vago all in succession and Andrew Newberg.

And it was so fascinating how these out of body type of experiences that we get into and you can get into them using psychedelics.

What they were saying is you get into them the most by observing acts of kindness.

that others are doing really renews faith.

But more than that, it reminds you that the world matters.

People matter in it.

You still matter in the world.

Is that what your research has found as well?

I love that.

Speaking of that course, when I was at the Academy, we had to take celestial navigation.

And all of us used to always wonder, in the age of GPS, why are you making us learn to study the stars?

Well, that's the exact answer we got from our professors.

It has come in handy for me one time.

I happened to be on a sailboat

At night we were lost and my training kicked back in.

You conclude that we don't find meaning.

Meaning finds us.

What do people have to stop proving before that becomes possible?

I love that analogy.

And it leads me to a philosophical question, as I was thinking about is, as you were saying that, is it possible for life to be deeply meaningful if no one ever witnesses it?