John R. Miles

And as you rightly point out at the book, sold out its 150,000 initial cases in what, like eight weeks?

I wanted to talk about longevity.

Being an alternative health podcast, I have of course had a ton of people because it's a billion dollar market now, longevity.

But do you think on the other side of that, our cultural narratives are actually shortening lives?

So Nir, we talked about learned helplessness already, which is a big aspect of the third part of your book, which is on the power to do what you believe.

So I want to talk about Joseph Campbell.

When I think about the power of myth, what I really think he's talking about underneath that is the power of ritual.

And this is something that you really talk about in chapter nine on prayer, ritual, and transformation.

And what you write is regardless of what you believe, if you believe in God, if you don't,

Humans across all cultures rely on ritual during periods of uncertainty.

So how do our rituals strengthen our agency?

Nir, I'm going to end there.

And I am so appreciative of you coming back on the show.

And for the audience, I highly recommend Beyond Belief, the science-backed way to stop limiting yourself and achieve extraordinary results.

Last thing, where can listeners go to buy the book and learn more about you?

And I just want to give a shout out because your sub stack is great as well.

So please check that out too.

Thank you so much, Nir, for joining.

Thank you, John.

That brings us to the end of today's conversation with Nir Eyal.