Passion Struck with John R. Miles
Mark Nepo on What It Means to Live with an Open Heart | EP 713
08 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What does it mean to live with an open heart?
Astu toiseen maailmaan Storytelin kanssa. Rakkaustarinoita, trillereitä ja lastensuosikkeja. Täytä talvi yli miljoonalla tarinalla. Kokeile Storyteliä nyt kolme kuukautta puoleen hintaan. Life is better with a story.
Coming up next on Passion Struck.
And if you're lonely, you say hello. Get out of the house. Doesn't mean that every interaction will be... Some may be awkward. Some may not work out. Some may be irritated, but you're engaged in life. And so even as simply as instead of reading at home alone, read in a cafe where even if you never say hello to another person, you're around other life, you're exchanging presence and energy.
So expand our sense of solitude to let others in. so that the line between self and other blurs.
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Chapter 2: How can acceptance be seen as cooperating with truth?
I'm your host, John Myles. This is the show where we explore the art of human flourishing and what it truly means to live like it matters. Each week, I sit down with changemakers, creators, scientists, and everyday heroes to decode the human experience and uncover the tools that help us lead with meaning, heal what hurts, and pursue the fullest expression of who we're capable of becoming.
Whether you're designing your future, developing as a leader or seeking deeper alignment in your life, this show is your invitation to grow with purpose and act with intention. Because the secret to a life of deep purpose, connection and impact is choosing to live like you matter. Hey friends, and welcome back to episode 713 of Passion Struck.
If you've been walking with me through the start of 2026, you know we've spent the last few weeks in what I call the season of becoming. We saw that before resolutions can stick, we need revelations. We reclaimed our worth. We practiced micro choices of courage. And just last week, we looked at the Dunbar Reset, the radical idea of shrinking our world to the size our biology can actually handle.
As we move into this first week of our new series, The Meaning Makers, a new question has emerged. Once we've cleared out the noise, what do we actually build in the space that's left behind? On Tuesday, we started to answer this question with Dr. Steven Post. looking at why pure, unlimited love is a biological requirement for health.
Chapter 3: What role does immersion play in finding meaning?
But that shift brings us to an inevitable question. How do we inhabit that pure, unlimited love without losing ourselves in the process? Becoming gives us the capacity to move, but presence is what allows us to actually be where we are once we arrive.
without it we aren't living a life we are just managing a series of events today's episode is one that sits close to my heart i've been wanting to have this conversation for several years and it comes at a moment in my life where its lessons feel especially present i'm joined by world famous poet philosopher and cancer survivor mark nepal whose work has guided millions through grief awakening creativity
and the long arc of becoming fully human. Before we began recording, I shared with Mark something deeply personal, that after my sister Carolyn passed away from pancreatic cancer, she chose one specific poem to read at her memorial. Mark's poem accepting this. Its lines captured her philosophy of life, and truthfully, it captures Mark's philosophy too.
In our conversation, we explore what inspired those words and how, in a world marked by division, disconnection, and noise, we can reclaim the simple human practices that awaken the heart, presence, reverence, compassion, and the courage to hold nothing back. Mark takes us into the meaning of acceptance. not as resignation, but as cooperating with truth.
He explains why the heart is our strongest muscle, how to recognize whether what you're engaging in is life-giving or life-draining, and why immersion is what brings us alive. We discuss the creative life as a spiritual practice, the differences between nostalgia
and the purposeful use of memory, and the profound metaphor at the center of Mark's newest book, The Fifth Season, Creativity in the Second Half of Life, that as we age and life wears away what is no longer essential, we shine brighter. Before we dive in, a quick note on a project that mirrors these themes of inherent worth.
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Chapter 4: How does aging contribute to clarity and creativity?
We often spend our adult lives trying to rediscover the value we should have been anchored in as children. A new children's book, You Matter, Luma, is a bridge to that truth, a reminder that your significance isn't earned by your performance. It's a fact of your existence. You can pre-order it now at Barnes & Noble or YouMatterLuma.com.
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What does it mean to live a creative, open-hearted life in the fifth season? And how do we become, as Mark says, students of the inside of everything? Let's begin The Meaning Makers with Mark Nepo. Thank you for choosing PassionStruck and choosing me to be your host and guide on your journey to creating an intentional life. Now, let that journey begin.
Hey friends, it's the beginning of 2026, and if you're like me, you didn't come into this year to coast. You came to live with purpose, to show up with energy, clarity, and intention.
Chapter 5: What is the significance of caring for small details?
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Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show. It is my profound honor today to welcome Mark Nepo to PassionStruck. Mark, it's such an honor to have you on today.
Chapter 6: How do memory and dreams shape our sense of aliveness?
I've been wanting to do this conversation now for about four years. So thank you so much for being here. Oh, you're so welcome. Thanks for having me. And as we were chatting before we started today, you were in one of my favorite parts of the country in Kalamazoo. I grew up as a kid going to Coldwater and I always loved that area of the country.
So I'm a little bit jealous, although here in Clearwater, it's probably a little bit warmer today than it is.
It is for sure.
Well, before we dive in, I want to begin. really with a personal note about the impact that your work has had on me and my greater family. Last year, my sister Carolyn passed away after a courageous battle with pancreatic cancer.
And her final years, much like your own journey as a survivor, were marked by resilience, reflection, and an unwavering commitment to living a life anchored in love and meaning. Over the last 10 years of her life, she became a Buddhist and living in the present moment
was key for her she during that time discovered her calling after she got this diagnosis actually enrolled in a master's program in social work at the university of texas because she wanted to help other people navigate their very struggles that she had faced and her life was really a testament to compassion acceptance and the quiet courage of showing up for others so many things that you write about
When we were planning her memorial service, which she, in her typical fashion, dictated what she wanted, she made one very specific request that your poem accepting this be read aloud.
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Chapter 7: What is the metaphor of the meteor in relation to life?
She felt it captured her philosophy of life more clearly than anything she could have said herself. And I wanted to say a couple lines that echoed through that chamber and through all of us. We were outdoors in Austin reading this. And as a Buddhist priest was saying your poem, a butterfly went over his shoulders and through the scene, which we all believe was my sister.
And the words I wanted to say are, we cannot eliminate hunger, but we can feed each other. We cannot eliminate loneliness, but we can hold each other. We cannot eliminate pain, but we can live a life of compassion. And for those of us who were watching this, those words became not just a comfort, but a call to action that she wanted to ripple beyond her.
For someone who's writing, Mark, has helped us through profound grief like that, and someone who has stood at the edge of life and death, you understand the necessity for that kind of acceptance and compassion. What inspired those lines in accepting this?
And in a time where the world feels increasingly divided, how do we, what you call the small living things, awaken in the stream, live into that final stanza?
Thank you. Thank you. It's very touching for sharing that from your service with your sister. Well, I think and let's back up a little bit when we talk about our time and things are very difficult and acute and polarized.
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Chapter 8: How can we say yes to life despite challenges?
And I would back up and say that every generation, every age faces the same thing. The things that trigger us, the things that block us are different in each age and each generation. But this is part of the archetypal journey of being alive, being human, struggling to be awake, to stay awake, to remember who we are to ourselves and each other. So I think from my cancer journey, I'm 74 now.
And if I met someone my age when I was younger, I thought they were ancient. It doesn't seem so old now. In my early 30s, I almost died from a rare form of lymphoma. And through that, I was turned inside out and upside down and through no wisdom on my part. I was jettisoned in to learning a different way to be in the world and learning how acceptance. We often misconstrue it.
It doesn't mean resignation. It doesn't mean giving up. It doesn't mean just obeying whatever someone asks of us acceptance. comes out of surrender. And I think surrender I've learned is cooperating with truth. So instead of fighting life, we stay in relationship with it. We work with it.
And that's on a way in the ancient, one of all the spiritual traditions speak about this in different ways, but the Taoist tradition, the ancient Chinese tradition, Tao simply means the way they don't even try to name it. But the metaphor for it, which I so love is that life is like an invisible river and every soul is a fish in that river.
And so the goal of every soul, every fish is to find the current so you can swim with it. And that's the proper use of our will. That's the work of acceptance. And not fighting, not insisting on what I want, but seeing what am I being asked here to learn and contribute that will both feed my life and life in the stream of life.
That is really beautiful and profound. As I have dived deeply into your work, one of the things I've heard you say more recently is that the heart is our strongest muscle and that its work is to keep us awake to life. When you look at the world today, what does living from the heart actually require of us?
Well, it requires that. So let's also back up here to say that, and again, this is part of the journey of every soul that comes into being is there's an age-old argument, if you will. On the one hand, there's a tribe of thinkers throughout the generations who have said human beings are, they can't trust them. If you don't have constraints and rules, they're going to be cruel.
They're going to just go with self-interest. So we really need to clamp down on these strange beings and there's the other which I'm a part of that tribe of thinkers and feelers that says no human beings are innately good and left to their to our own basic human nature we will be kind and help each other and be more together than alone and the things that block us
come from, we can be blocked by others, by suffering, by the world we live in, by ourselves, by the wounds that we, but our job of awakening is how to repair from those blockages and wake up again. And the heart is, I believe, our strongest muscle, our strongest instrument. And the word trust literally means to follow the heart. And so we are asked not to bend life to us, but to inhabit life.
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