John R. Miles

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Now back to my conversation with Eric Zimmer.

Something that you just said about the sound meditation is true for me too.

My favorite time of day is daybreak, 35, 40 minutes before the sun comes up because the world just starts becoming alive and you start hearing all the creatures do their thing.

To me, it's just a magical time to experience.

Yes.

Eric, I want to go to chapter six in the book.

One of my favorite things that I like to talk about is something I wrote in my first book, Passion Struck, which is becoming a perspective harnesser.

And I think so many of us live in this world where we don't see the world as it is.

We see it as we are, which is really what that chapter to me captured.

Yeah.

And part of the way I rationalize this is so many of us, especially in the Western world, tend to live our lives as either or, and we have these huge extremes.

And to me, a lot of this gets into both and thinking.

How does this idea of perspective show up in everyday life that a lot of people don't understand?

Yeah, man, I can't tell you how many drafts of chapters I end up throwing out.

Yeah, I've recently been trying to get a hold of Angela Duckworth, basically to try to get her permission to include parts of her interview in this new book.

And it's been impossible to get in touch with her.

And where I'm going with this is her assistant said, well, she's in a writing dungeon as she's working on her next book.

What dungeon?