John R. Miles

Because I think we jumped to the conclusion that this is focused on one sex and I think it impacts

And I just want to make this real for people.

Earlier this year, I had a former astronaut named Susan Kiorin on the show.

And Susan was the second female shuttle pilot.

But prior to that, she was the first female F-14 pilot.

So someone who had to invest

a lot to break down barriers to get to where she was.

Her husband happens to be a Navy SEAL.

And after she got done with that space flight, they wanted to start a family and she didn't have the option that you're talking about.

So it cost her dearly.

She ended up removing herself from NASA at that point so she could start a family because she really didn't have that choice.

So I'm just trying to bring it, make this real because you think about the impact and gut-wrenching decision that was from her perspective, having a position that is so hard to get, harder than becoming a four-star general in the Marine Corps when you think about becoming an astronaut.

Yeah.

Well, Sarah, one thing I did want to talk about a little bit is body image, because I think it's important, especially for young, but also all our listeners.

And body image to me is something that affects, again, both men and women.

But as I was doing research for this, I understand that there were a number of comments that were made about you and your body.

during this time.

And that had to be hard first.

What do you think it reveals about how women's bodies or our bodies are treated in public life?

I want to switch directions to creating policy, which is something I can't even imagine how difficult that is right now.