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John Schulman

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
528 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

But it has more space to look for the circuits to do something useful.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Yeah, I would expect things like, okay, new modalities to be added over time or pretty soon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Yeah, I would expect the capabilities to generally keep getting better through a combination of pre-training and post-training, and that'll open up new use cases.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

So right now...

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

AI is still not a huge part of the economy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

There's a pretty small fraction of jobs that it can help with at all.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

So I'd expect that to be higher over time, and not just from the models improving, also from people just figuring out how to integrate them into different processes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

So even if we just froze the models at their current state, I think you would still see a lot of growth in how they're being used.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

I would expect AI to be used much more widely.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

I would expect it to be used for more technically sophisticated tasks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Like I gave the programming example earlier of doing longer projects, but also helping with various kinds of research.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

So I would hope that we can use AI to accelerate science in various ways.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

just because you can potentially have the models understand all of the literature in a given field and be able to sift through tons of data more than a person would have patience to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

So I would hope that we can basically

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Well, I hope the form factor would basically be that people are still driving all of this and you have your like helpful assistance that you can use.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

You can sort of direct and point to lots of different problems that are useful to you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

And everyone sort of has all these AIs helping them do more, get more done.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

Yeah, I think, well, we might not want to jump to having AIs run whole firms immediately.

Dwarkesh Podcast
John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) - Reasoning, RLHF, & Plan for 2027 AGI

I mean, we might want to have people overseeing these important decisions and calling the shots.