John Siracusa

how much less capable this is than the qualcomm chip they're using in the 16 pro but i think the one thing consumers if they care about this at all which they probably shouldn't but maybe casey would care no millimeter wave which i forget what the rumors were about the 17 using this chip i think they're saying the 17 lines or at least the the top end 17s are still going to use qualcomm chips which is the reason apple renewed that contract for a

how much less capable this is than the qualcomm chip they're using in the 16 pro but i think the one thing consumers if they care about this at all which they probably shouldn't but maybe casey would care no millimeter wave which i forget what the rumors were about the 17 using this chip i think they're saying the 17 lines or at least the the top end 17s are still going to use qualcomm chips which is the reason apple renewed that contract for a

because they're probably going to still want to have millimeter wave on their top end phones, and the C1 doesn't support it, and I'm not sure they're going to have the C2 or C1.5 ready in time for the iPhone 17. So we'll see when we get to those phones. I forget what the rumors are. Maybe they're saying that the 17 Air or the Slim whatever would use the C1.

because they're probably going to still want to have millimeter wave on their top end phones, and the C1 doesn't support it, and I'm not sure they're going to have the C2 or C1.5 ready in time for the iPhone 17. So we'll see when we get to those phones. I forget what the rumors are. Maybe they're saying that the 17 Air or the Slim whatever would use the C1.

because that'll be another like compromise that it doesn't need millimeter waves. It's so thin or whatever, but the other ones will use Qualcomm chips. But either way, 16E, it doesn't sell as much. It's not the flagship phone. Perfect place to roll out the first cell chip as rumored. And here it is.

because that'll be another like compromise that it doesn't need millimeter waves. It's so thin or whatever, but the other ones will use Qualcomm chips. But either way, 16E, it doesn't sell as much. It's not the flagship phone. Perfect place to roll out the first cell chip as rumored. And here it is.

probably over a year now and so i'll still be slightly bummed but if i'm really honest with myself it's really not that big a deal i don't think it's a big deal for anybody because it's just it's such a limited it has such limited applicability it doesn't even exist anywhere near you and if it does you have to be so much closer and so much like it's not you know it's it's i don't know if it's exactly line of sight but it might as well be right it's just very it's

probably over a year now and so i'll still be slightly bummed but if i'm really honest with myself it's really not that big a deal i don't think it's a big deal for anybody because it's just it's such a limited it has such limited applicability it doesn't even exist anywhere near you and if it does you have to be so much closer and so much like it's not you know it's it's i don't know if it's exactly line of sight but it might as well be right it's just very it's

I don't think it makes a big difference, but the thing is it is the fastest way, and it's kind of hard to sell flagship phones that support this incredibly fast protocol and then say, well, you know what? It's not useful to enough people, so we're pulling it out of the phone. They could do that, but it seems like, I mean, there's no way to slice it. This is moving backwards a little bit.

I don't think it makes a big difference, but the thing is it is the fastest way, and it's kind of hard to sell flagship phones that support this incredibly fast protocol and then say, well, you know what? It's not useful to enough people, so we're pulling it out of the phone. They could do that, but it seems like, I mean, there's no way to slice it. This is moving backwards a little bit.

for the people who care about the the fastest of the fastest speed on the other hand you'll get back more battery life more space in the case because you don't need those millimeter wave antennas like there are trade-offs and reasons they might do it but it is just from a marketing perspective uh kind of difficult to say yeah we got you all excited about millimeter wave but just never mind another thing this thing is missing i'm pretty sure again this was just announced today but as far as i can tell no ultra wideband

for the people who care about the the fastest of the fastest speed on the other hand you'll get back more battery life more space in the case because you don't need those millimeter wave antennas like there are trade-offs and reasons they might do it but it is just from a marketing perspective uh kind of difficult to say yeah we got you all excited about millimeter wave but just never mind another thing this thing is missing i'm pretty sure again this was just announced today but as far as i can tell no ultra wideband

which I don't understand. There's a lot of things about this phone that I don't understand, but I searched the spec page. I looked at other phones and how it is listed on other spec pages. The other phones list something called ultra wide bands with the U. What number are they on? They call it the second generation. They don't want to call it the U2 for obvious reasons.

which I don't understand. There's a lot of things about this phone that I don't understand, but I searched the spec page. I looked at other phones and how it is listed on other spec pages. The other phones list something called ultra wide bands with the U. What number are they on? They call it the second generation. They don't want to call it the U2 for obvious reasons.

It's not the U1, but it's the second generation ultra wide band chip or whatever. The iPhone 16E, as far as I am able to determine, does not have an ultra wide band chip. chip or capability is it built into the c1 is that why i'm missing it It seems really weird to me that it wouldn't have this, like, for doing, like, AirTag Find My with the little arrow thing or whatever.

It's not the U1, but it's the second generation ultra wide band chip or whatever. The iPhone 16E, as far as I am able to determine, does not have an ultra wide band chip. chip or capability is it built into the c1 is that why i'm missing it It seems really weird to me that it wouldn't have this, like, for doing, like, AirTag Find My with the little arrow thing or whatever.

But that's what the spec sheet seems to indicate.

But that's what the spec sheet seems to indicate.

Right, but you should see it listed on the spec page. On other phones, you see the phrase Ultra Space Wideband on the spec page, and it's not there on the 16E. In the place where it would be. It's not anywhere on the page. It's hard to tell when these things just came out. The other thing is no Wi-Fi 7. The other members of the 16th family, I believe all of them, even the plane 16 has Wi-Fi 7.

Right, but you should see it listed on the spec page. On other phones, you see the phrase Ultra Space Wideband on the spec page, and it's not there on the 16E. In the place where it would be. It's not anywhere on the page. It's hard to tell when these things just came out. The other thing is no Wi-Fi 7. The other members of the 16th family, I believe all of them, even the plane 16 has Wi-Fi 7.