John Siracusa

I mean, I'm sure there was committees below him, but he got presented with stuff and he said yes or no.

And I think Johnny was like that as well.

The stories when he was like, had one foot out the door for seemingly years was like, he'd just be hanging out at his place in San Francisco and he'd, you know, come to a meeting and he would say, show me all the crap that you made.

And he would say, yes, no, no, yes, no.

Change this, change that, you know?

Um, but this new system they're describing, uh,

doesn't really reassure me which is like a whole bunch of people who are not designers offering their opinions on designs offered to them by designers and the designers get to give their opinions as well but like if it's if it's molly anderson and steve lemay arguing with eddie q about design i'm like eddie just like

I mean, in some respects, like the designers should have the most sway here.

You can give your opinions and whatever, but like in the end.

But unfortunately, org chart wise, everybody on that list is above Molly Anderson, who are the only actual designers.

And honestly, I don't want Greg Josbeak, Eddie Q and Craig Federighi and Ternus.

overriding Steve LeMay and Molly Anderson.

On the other hand, when they delegated to Alan Dye and let him do what he wanted, he made bad decisions.

So I'm not sure what to do about this org chart, but if Gurman's reporting here is true, it is a very interesting sort of stew of people that makes it very difficult to know who to blame for things that Apple does that you don't like design-wise.

Much easier when it was just I've.

Yeah, but all those people shouldn't be in the meeting.

It's difficult to tell from the outside whether Steve LeMay, not Steve LeMay, Ternus was deployed.

You finally got his name.

We finally got it, and we weren't even talking about it.

I was just reading it from the screen.