John Siracusa

And you did a great job with X. Can you also look at Y?

Because Y sucks.

And they'll tell that person, in addition to your current responsibilities, take some time and go over there and fix that part of the org.

And, you know, sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't.

Sometimes you pick the wrong person or whatever.

But again, even if Ternus wasn't going to become CEO, just simply having him say, like, you were in charge of this part of our company that's done great.

Over here, I'm hearing, years too late, that we're not doing great on design.

broadly speaking i'm not going to put you in charge of design because you're not a designer but can you go over there and like just fix stuff and figure like just figure it out and just like make it better and we again we don't have privy to you know we don't know what's going inside the company we don't know if he's just started doing this this year or whatever but like as marco said from the outside it sure looks like

we're having a lot of issues in design.

All of a sudden, there's a bunch of turnover.

All of a sudden, new things start happening in design.

We start hearing new names and the things we know about those names make us think that Apple will be making different decisions related to design in the future because we know the people that left and we know the people that are coming in and those are people have very different opinions about how to do design.

Now, does John Ternus know anything about design?

I don't know, but it seems like

things are changing in a direction that makes us out here who are dissatisfied with design happier.

And if that's the result of John Turner's parachuting in, even though the org chart hasn't changed and just being like, oh, I'm your executive sponsor or whatever, like representing them in meetings and blah, blah, blah.

Yeah.

Okay.

But like, as Marco points out,

Was he part of the decision to pick John LeMay?