John Siracusa

I think they'll just rebrand it, but we'll see.

I wonder if Apple spent more money and time on private cloud compute or the supposed server chips that they made that are based on the M5.

Because we know they were using the M2 Ultras before that, but the rumor is that they actually made a chip for their own servers that is not a chip that will go into any other devices.

And if they just end up entirely on Google's data centers in the next year or two, boy, that was a lot of money for those server chips that really went nowhere.

But they can just join the Mac Pro with...

Wasn't Cloudflare involved in private relay?

Yeah, I think they did do something.

Didn't they do like the private IP thing?

Yeah, private relay.

Maybe a slightly biased opinion there.

But I mean, having used these services in a professional capacity, I can't say that Azure was, let's say, maybe not up to the standards of AWS and Google Cloud.

Back when I was using Google Cloud, Google Cloud was also kind of the new entrant, but Azure was definitely weird and had like a weird Windows flavor to some things.

So I think there's probably a grain of truth in this.

But it can contribute to it.

It's basically like how easy is it to build a resilient system using these cloud services?

And obviously AWS is the...

the biggest entrant in this market and is sort of number one for a reason.

Google Cloud is slightly different in that Google's main expertise was building things for itself and it only later decided we should be selling this to customers.

But yeah, Azure was like, Microsoft's like, we can do this too.

And it's like, yeah, I guess.