John Smith

And it was also a good time to talk to, I was like, this is gonna be a disaster. I can't go to Washington and sit in a room with people. And that was true on a certain level, but there was also the level of like, you could get Tony Blinken on the phone.

I actually ended up talking to, I think, a lot more people than I would have under normal circumstances, just because everybody was willing to get on the telephone.

I actually ended up talking to, I think, a lot more people than I would have under normal circumstances, just because everybody was willing to get on the telephone.

I actually ended up talking to, I think, a lot more people than I would have under normal circumstances, just because everybody was willing to get on the telephone.

I mean, it's a bunch of people, and it's definitely the ones that you think. Beth Jones was a huge piece of it. Sam Powers was obviously a piece of it. Susan Rice is in there. Wendy Sherman is in there. Hillary Clinton is in there. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people.

I mean, it's a bunch of people, and it's definitely the ones that you think. Beth Jones was a huge piece of it. Sam Powers was obviously a piece of it. Susan Rice is in there. Wendy Sherman is in there. Hillary Clinton is in there. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people.

I mean, it's a bunch of people, and it's definitely the ones that you think. Beth Jones was a huge piece of it. Sam Powers was obviously a piece of it. Susan Rice is in there. Wendy Sherman is in there. Hillary Clinton is in there. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people.

Richard Holbrook?

Richard Holbrook?

Richard Holbrook?

He's a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun. And he's, as I'm sure you know, George Packer wrote this book called Our Man about Richard Holbrook. And it was a huge, hugely influential text.

He's a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun. And he's, as I'm sure you know, George Packer wrote this book called Our Man about Richard Holbrook. And it was a huge, hugely influential text.

He's a lot of fun. He's a lot of fun. And he's, as I'm sure you know, George Packer wrote this book called Our Man about Richard Holbrook. And it was a huge, hugely influential text.

Holbrook was so fantastically polarizing, and people loved him or hated him, and the people who hated him the most used to be people who loved him the most. So that tension of you can't help but fall in love with this guy right up until the point where you want to kill him was a fantastic basis for a character.

Holbrook was so fantastically polarizing, and people loved him or hated him, and the people who hated him the most used to be people who loved him the most. So that tension of you can't help but fall in love with this guy right up until the point where you want to kill him was a fantastic basis for a character.

Holbrook was so fantastically polarizing, and people loved him or hated him, and the people who hated him the most used to be people who loved him the most. So that tension of you can't help but fall in love with this guy right up until the point where you want to kill him was a fantastic basis for a character.

You know, there's an actor called Hal Holbrook.

You know, there's an actor called Hal Holbrook.

You know, there's an actor called Hal Holbrook.

Richard Holbrook, Al Holbrook, Al. That's why he's called.