John Steele

Yeah.

And so we actually are really good.

I've been doing it for

I mean, even before starting this up for five, six, seven years of finding developers themselves.

We have a process that takes 40 applicants and funnels it down to one person who joins the team, including, you know, a programming test that is actually paid.

And so we give everybody the same test.

And so we know where they fit in the in line and stuff.

So we actually can get developers in pretty quick in a week or two, and we've been able to do this just routinely over and over.

But we don't have that same kind of system for the team captain who is a bit more dynamic and has to have a higher level of skill.

And I just don't know the way to bring them in yet without working with them and kind of getting a good feel for them.

So yeah, we use those freelancing platforms that are out there because they have so many people around the globe connected to it.

So since most are out of the country, they're $10.99.

And we use those things as payment methods, vehicles, because everybody's on there that it's easy to get the money through.

We don't post the project itself.

We post only the test project.

And then once they pass that, we bring them into our own systems to actually do the project work.

But we treat our developers, so that was one of the things that I didn't like about software development years ago and I wanted to change, and we have.

We're ranked in the top 7% for engagement by Gallup across the globe.

We want to make sure that developers feel like they belong.

So we treat even our contractors like they're full-time employees.