Johnquilyn Hill

But remember that landscape the first caller was talking about? It's different in 2025. Gen Z and Gen Alpha have seen the toll of student debt and often say they don't want to take that on. They're not certain college will be the right fit for them. Having more options to choose from requires some evolution from the way we've always done things. At least, that's what Chelsea Waite says.

She studies education policy at the Center on Reinventing Public Education at Arizona State.

She studies education policy at the Center on Reinventing Public Education at Arizona State.

She studies education policy at the Center on Reinventing Public Education at Arizona State.

To understand what to change, Chelsea says we have to understand where this college for all policy came from in the first place.

To understand what to change, Chelsea says we have to understand where this college for all policy came from in the first place.

To understand what to change, Chelsea says we have to understand where this college for all policy came from in the first place.

Yeah. I remember my dad telling me this story of, you know, he was getting ready to go off to college and his school counselor was like, maybe you should just join the military and like phrased it like that, which is. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember my dad telling me this story of, you know, he was getting ready to go off to college and his school counselor was like, maybe you should just join the military and like phrased it like that, which is. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember my dad telling me this story of, you know, he was getting ready to go off to college and his school counselor was like, maybe you should just join the military and like phrased it like that, which is. Yeah.

Well, I think that this is a time, though, for you to realize that as a young college graduate, you are among the most fortunate people on earth.

Well, I think that this is a time, though, for you to realize that as a young college graduate, you are among the most fortunate people on earth.

Well, I think that this is a time, though, for you to realize that as a young college graduate, you are among the most fortunate people on earth.

Does this shift come from the students themselves or is it coming from somewhere else?

Does this shift come from the students themselves or is it coming from somewhere else?

Does this shift come from the students themselves or is it coming from somewhere else?

Parents are saying they want their kids to have a good life. You know, they just want their kids to be happy. And I think every generation of parents to some degree would say that. But are parents really OK if that means their kids aren't going to college?

Parents are saying they want their kids to have a good life. You know, they just want their kids to be happy. And I think every generation of parents to some degree would say that. But are parents really OK if that means their kids aren't going to college?

Parents are saying they want their kids to have a good life. You know, they just want their kids to be happy. And I think every generation of parents to some degree would say that. But are parents really OK if that means their kids aren't going to college?

Do you see any resistance from high schools, whether it's from teachers or guidance counselors, to telling a high school kid, no, you don't have to go to college?