Jojo Moyes

Really?

You felt lonely?

Yeah.

And also because I had huggy kids for a long time and then suddenly they were gone or mostly gone or certainly not at an age when they particularly want hugs.

And I really missed just that physical touch.

Yeah.

And, you know, I've always had dogs and I had horses.

So there was a lot of kind of hugging of animals.

But it's not the same.

And then I found that I got quite anxious going into social situations as well.

Had you been like that before?

No.

But I think it was a combination of...

There was a brief period where I was recognized and I don't know how you do it because I was very bad at it.

I did not like, you know, I like being in a name on a spine.

I don't really, I'm not very good at being visible.

And so I found that I would be totally hopeless at proper fame because

It's that thing when you have a conversation with someone you don't know and you suddenly become aware that you're becoming material to them, that anything you tell them is going to become an anecdote for somewhere else.

And so you stop being a human being and you start being a kind of thing.

And I had a few occasions where I'd go out and you must have seen it for the last however many years, but it's that thing.