Begin Again with Davina McCall
Author Jojo Moyes: Me Before You, Rejection & Starting Again In Her 40s
04 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What struggles did Jojo Moyes face before her success?
Six rejections come back. I'd written three books by then. But then I pitched Me Before You. I went from selling a handful to 60 million. And that all happened in my 40s and 50s.
Wow. Jojo, you are a fantastic wordsmith and a worldwide bestseller writer.
Me Before You went round the world. I used to joke that I was like a cockroach. Terrible things can happen, but there is something in me that just keeps ploughing on.
Chapter 2: How did Jojo navigate loneliness and independence in her childhood?
If I'm honest, I would have liked to feel less lonely. But... I read a lovely thing recently which was, I bet you turned into the adult that you needed as a child. Oh God, sorry. What are you doing to me? I'm sorry. I was trying on versions of myself and then suddenly in a newsroom I suddenly had a focus.
You getting into journalism was the first step towards the power. of the written work.
So I wrote Me Before You and suddenly got so many offers of work in Hollywood. What happened then? My mum died and I got divorced. And then it was just survive. That's a lot of grief. The world will have its way with you.
You just have to keep bouncing back. I want to ask you about dating in midlife, but also your top bits of advice for anybody watching this who is getting divorced. The very, very first thing is First of all, I just want to say welcome to our humble abode, Jojo. Do you know, it's funny because we've met before.
Chapter 3: What challenges did Jojo encounter after achieving success?
We did. We met at quite a strange period of both our lives, I think. Yeah, and I want to tell you that I knew we were kindred spirits. Well, we cut straight to the bristle, didn't we, that evening. And I couldn't wait to get you on here because... of the number of times that you have pivoted or begun again.
And I love the way that you are able to verbalize that because obviously you are a fantastic wordsmith and a worldwide bestseller writer, but also you are a very wise and sage woman and it's just nice to have you on. So welcome.
That's really kind of you. Thank you.
So often I don't do this. I don't start at the beginning, but I would like to start with your upbringing in the East End and with your parents, because you had quite different parents for the era. Like they were quite bohemian.
Yes, it's quite funny because.
you always assume that your own parents are the norm and it was only when I kind of got quite a bit older that I thought no not everybody's parents had a tortoise walking around the house and free roaming free roaming and sort of a yeah that they someone described them as hippies with a work ethic and I think my dad would bristle slightly at the idea of him being a hippie but if I
look at the pictures? They're not far off. They were very hardworking though, both of them. So there was never any kind of lying around getting stoned. It wasn't that kind of a hippie. I think they were very arts-minded. They were a bit alternative. But my abiding childhood memory is of them working. I was either out with my dad in a van or I was sitting under my mum's desk while she painted.
She was an illustrator and he set up a company that moved works of art.
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Chapter 4: How does Jojo manage the emotional impact of her divorce?
So that's my childhood memories is working.
And both of those jobs based around extremely creative work. process.
Yeah. I mean, it was kind of an extraordinary childhood when I look back, because my dad set up this company called MoMart, which grew. And it was basically lots of warehouses that were full of works of art. Everything from kind of priceless, I don't know, David Hockney's or Van Gogh's, to Paul McCartney storing the Beatles' from Sergeant Pepper. Wow.
So, you know, I was a cleaner there for a while and I would just sort of pot around and, you know, you'd be confronted by these extraordinary things. And I think you take on some of it by osmosis. I didn't ever want to be a visual artist, but I think there's definitely something about being around all that creativity that fed in. But I think the most...
important thing I saw with them was just work. You copy what you know, and they were always working.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Jojo share about dating in midlife?
So I just thought that's how you exist in this world. You work. And I grew up in the 70s and 80s at a time when you could still rely on working hard to get you somewhere. I think it's much harder for young people now. But yeah, I just, I loved meeting all the people that came through. I remember meeting some kind of amazing artists. I
I watched the people that my mum worked with creating amazing things. My mum's partner, who she went on to marry, was working with Stanley Kubrick on doing on-set work for 2001. So there was pictures of, you know, Mr. Kubrick on set. So everywhere I looked, there was something interesting going on. Yeah. But I think I was also a bit mulish. I didn't want to do what they wanted me to do. Yes.
So, yeah, that's how I ended up in words rather than pictures. And I mean, you grew up in Hackney. I did. And it was very different. What was it like?
Chapter 6: How has Jojo's relationship with her ex-husband evolved?
My mum used to hate this, but my abiding feeling when I was growing up was not safety. I was tiny and blonde at a time when to be those things was not the safest. And so very early on in life, I learned to put my keys through my hands. When I got off the bus, I got followed home from school numerous times. We got broken into a lot.
It's funny, you grow up and you kind of absorb all this stuff and it's just your life experience, but it shows up later in life in different ways. I remember my daughter kind of wearing a short pair of shorts once when she was going out and I said, you can't wear that. You know, you don't understand what's going to happen if you provoke that sort of response.
And she just looked at me and went, mum, this is Saffron Walden, not Hackney. It's like, I'm fine. But I think I was hypervigilant for a long time. I moved out of London when I was 30 and it just felt extraordinary to me, the safety. Like I could walk through a wood and not feel unsafe and I felt safer and safer. as I've grown older, but I don't remember feeling safe in my childhood.
And my parents were working, so I was a latchkey kid, so I spent an awful lot of time on my own, which I have spent many years in therapy kind of undoing.
Oh, it's my... me too. Yeah. Not the latchkey kid thing, but I was thinking about things that happened to you when you were a kid. If something difficult happens to you when you're an adult, often... the old feelings from that experience or trauma, whatever you want to call it, will be echoed again in this present day issue unless you learn to deal with it.
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Chapter 7: What lessons did Jojo learn about resilience and self-advocacy?
So that's what I've used therapy to help me with in particular in the last year and a half. But... The word that my therapist... God, listen to me. Who am I? I've changed. The word that my therapist uses when my parents, well, particularly my mum, would leave me. And back in those days, they did a lot.
They did. 70s kids and 80s kids, it was a very different experience.
She said, you weren't left. You weren't forgotten. You were abandoned. And you need to use that because it's not what they... meant to do. They just were saying, you'll be fine, you'll be safe. But to a child, and they didn't know this, the parents at the time, so it's not their fault. But they did, you felt abandoned. Not you, I'm not putting words into your mouth.
But it's really interesting because I was also thinking there was also a big bit of me that protected them from the things that happened. I remember being chased with knives by some guys with two of my girlfriends when we were about 14.
Chapter 8: What is Jojo's advice for women navigating life changes in midlife?
And it was only because we knew the very labyrinthine back of the flats on the estate near where we lived that we could shake them off. And I remember us collapsing indoors, slamming the door and kind of falling onto the mat, like staring at each other like, what just happened? And my mum calling from upstairs, did you have a nice evening? And we all just went, yes, because you knew that...
they couldn't cope with the knowledge and also the risk of not being allowed out. I think It's really hard to convey either to this generation or to men often what it was like to be female in the late 70s, early 80s. It was different. It was completely different. I mean, I think Benny Hill had a really big influence on men's behaviour. The amount of being chased around. Did you hate? I hated it.
Oh, so much. I was so angry by Benny Hill. Yeah. But also the feeling that you couldn't fight back because it was just part of being a woman. Yeah. Now if someone touched me on a bus, I'd punch their faces in. But then you just tolerated so much.
And I do think, while there's a lot of things that have got worse for women, I do think the fact that young women can name it and understand what it is and push back against it is a really important development.
Every single woman I speak to... from this era has had the same experience. And I know you have three children and my youngest is 19 now. And I literally feel so proud of myself that I've got them through life without anything
terrible hacker to them but we did it a very different way I think if anything you know I've had the the breaks I've had to put on myself as to not be a helicopter parent because you know I think every generation decides they're going to do it differently to the one before don't they and I just knew that I wanted my kids to feel that I was there even if I was emotionally
Tuned into something else my work, but I was in the house.
They could come to be for stuff I didn't have much of a social life I didn't do very much for a long time while my kids were growing up other than work or be with them and So they had a very different childhood to me and they also had each other although I'm sure like my siblings They would sometimes have rather been on their own but I think
I hope they would say it was a really happy childhood because we just kind of bummed around in the house and garden and had chickens and all that kind of stuff. Well, you know what it's like. You always had a rural, semi-rural childhood too. I think it's a really nice thing. It's certainly better than running from the number 73 bus stop with your keys through your knuckles.
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