Jon Acuff

It's hard living with a painter who's not painting.

It's hard living with a woodworker who's not woodworking.

And so I felt like I look back on my life and go, man, this is my 11th book.

The 12th comes out.

I've got another one coming out this year and later this year.

Like where were all those words going before they had a home?

Like you talk about a frustrated, you know, log jammed writer.

Like I had all these things to say and all these questions to ask and all these threads to pull.

And I wasn't, and I didn't know what to do with that.

So I felt really kind of like,

Oh, and you push it down or you get successful in another thing that doesn't really matter to you, but it comes with a lot of rewards.

And you're like, well, the rewards don't really matter, but at least I'm in motion.

And yeah, I had Brian Koppelman, who's a friend of mine.

He co-wrote Rounders and Billions.

Yeah, just great guy.

And he his kind of theory was like, unexplored creativity kind of mutates into something else.

And sometimes that's anger.

Sometimes that's bitterness.

Sometimes that's disappointment.

And so I think that's the moment I was in.