Jon Favreau

Great to see you.

So over the last couple of years, probably longer, there has been an intense debate about the war in Gaza, the U.S.-Israel relationship, especially U.S.

military support to Israel, and the line between anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism.

Now, thanks to President Trump, you can lump in

the role Israel may or may not have played in the latest war with Iran and Lebanon to that debate.

So most recently in the Democratic Party, this debate manifested as a fight over whether Democrats should go on a Twitch streamer show, a guy named Hassan Piker.

There's this think tank called The Third Way.

They said that Hassan should essentially be banished from the party.

This was in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

So Jon Favreau talked through a lot of this with Hassan for an episode that came out about a week ago.

Folks should check that out if they want more.

But you wanted to provide a different perspective on how you believe one can still be a supporter of Israel and a liberal Zionist and a Democrat all at once.

So we want to talk through that and maybe I can poke and prod your arguments.

Here we go.

So let's just start with where you disagreed with Hassan on his definition of Zionism and kind of we'll go from there.

So look, I don't want to, I'm not going to try to speak for Hassan or anybody else, frankly, but let me just offer what I think kind of the pushback to your argument would be, which is not that I think anyone was saying,

Israel was uniquely evil.

It was just sort of whether or not there's a supremacy ideology in the sort of the founding documents.

I think what he would say is Israel was founded after the mass displacement of, I think, 700,000 Palestinians.

Since 1967, Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza, and there has been groups of people living under permanent occupation.