Jon Favreau

And the reality today is that it seems like Israel has chosen to be a Jewish state and not a democratic state.

And so I guess like I can't find a debate what like David Ben-Gurion and others had in mind in the 1940s.

You know, I'm not an expert on this stuff.

I would never pretend to be.

But I think people would say, look, the reality on the ground is that.

it's this much darker version of whatever that intention was of permanent occupation.

And then some would argue apartheid or at least very clear instances where there are different rules for Jews and Palestinians that we can unpack that as well.

What would you say to that?

Yeah, look, my view on Hamas is that what they did on October 7th is evil and unjustifiable and fuck them and that they're bad for the Palestinian people and for the Jewish people and that's fine.

I think what Hassan was making, kind of an inflammatory point, when you look at the death toll in terms of the number of people that Hamas killed on October 7th versus the IDF, but I think you get in trouble when you're doing comparisons.

I've also been someone who's not a fan of Bibi Netanyahu since 2009 when I first was in the same room with the guy.

I think you're getting at this middle ground position.

I want to push you on that a bit because I think every elected official in the United States basically pays lip service to the idea of a two-state solution.

And I think for decades, the U.S.

government made a very sincere effort to facilitate talks that would lead to the creation of a Palestinian state.

But for basically his entire career, Netanyahu has worked to block the creation of a Palestinian state.

And these days he brags about it.

You know, he says, like, throw my adept statesmanship.

We prevented this from happening.

He calls it a terror state.