Jon Favreau

And I was just like, that was in 2021.

And I've just sort of pushed back on this idea that, you know, maybe the Knesset is growing increasingly concerned about like sort of view US views of laws and decisions like that, because pretty recently, Israeli lawmakers passed a law to expand the death penalty, but only for Palestinians.

which seems like a pretty like egregious example of the kind of law or policy that B'Tselem was talking about when they wrote that paper several years ago.

So, I mean, aren't those pretty clear cut examples of kind of apartheid like or, you know, unequal treatment of individuals based on religion?

And shouldn't we be having a more honest conversation about that kind of stuff in the United States and not like doing what the third way is doing here?

I hear that.

I don't think people – I don't think Hassan is arguing that Israel is the devil or that Israeli people are evil in any way.

I think what's happening and what I think the sort of political class can sometimes miss because they've been having these conversations for years.

People like you are genuine experts in the founding documents of Israel, right?

And maybe sometimes we make a mistake when we kind of try to pull from history.

I think the average American's experience of what's happening in Israel right now, especially young people, if they started paying attention to politics a couple of years ago, they just see intolerable amounts of killing by Israel, first in Gaza, now in Lebanon and Iran.

and they're doing it with American weapons.

And then if you're my age, you've been kind of watching Netanyahu since 2009, sort of doing his best to prevent the Palestinian state from being created, coming to Congress to insult Barack Obama and try to blow up the Iran nuclear deal in 2015, and then just wrapping his arms around Donald Trump in the biggest kind of bear hug.

ever.

And so it's like, it's not that people have deeply held views about the origins of Zionism or because they're anti-Semitic.

They're just like, why is this really strong country bombing the shit out of Gaza over and over again?

And why are we giving them weapons to do it?

Why am I paying for that?

Right.

And they're just horrified by it.