Jon Favreau

And so I'm glad that like this conversation has become more nuanced and more rational and that people are less scared of getting like slapped down if you sort of

break from the APAC party line or orthodoxy going forward.

I do think the challenge the Democratic Party leaders are having is the base of the party, young people have moved way further, way faster than the Democratic elected officials have, even if Democratic Party elected officials have moved really, really fast, historically speaking on this issue.

Brutal.

Yeah.

For sure.

I think that's right.

Look, I think a normie voter, the most powerful, have not thought about this for one fucking second.

And the most powerful argument to them is going to be, let's stop spending money on wars or giving it to other countries and spend it at home.

And so that is really going to be the, people are going to have to sketch out thoughtful nuances of foreign policy because that kind of nationalist isolationist view is going to be the

the siren song politically that is incredibly powerful, that frankly works on me in a lot of instances and is, I think, something we all just have to keep in mind as we are seeped in this stuff and have more nuanced views that might not kind of get to the average voter on a random day.

But either way, look, Ilan, I really appreciate you coming on and talk about this stuff.

I imagine this will not be the last time we'll be talking about this.

Maybe we'll pop back on to talk about

Another round of talks tomorrow in Pakistan with the Iranians.

Hopefully they're not as terrible as the last one, but we'll find out.

Wonderful.

Well, it could be worse, I guess.

Thank you so much for coming on.

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